Thanks Ron although I have stereo Efx Mobius,timeline,andH9, I am using them in mono. Also I am only using output A however all my presets have both outputs on. It is only buffer 2 that causes this and I think,and will confirm that it does it with all loops off. I will check the input and output cables to see if there are any shorts. I will also test with a cable in from my guitar and a cable out to an amp bypassing the hardwired cables in my board. Thanks again