Anyone else use both?

MartinCliffe

MartinCliffe

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As part of my standard guitar rig, I use both an RG-16 and an Effect Gizmo... albeit not to their full potential currently since I downsized the rig. Just wondering if anyone else uses both, how you deal with powering them, and anything else really :) I actually use my Effect Gizmo as an input selector currently (I have loop 1 as a mute, 2 and 3 as my wireless receivers and 4 as a cable input, linked to the front input on the RG-16) as it was cheaper and easier than buying a separate one.

I've managed to power both from my Tonebone modded Burkey Flatliner Pro power supply (it powers everything in my rig) so technically my Effect Gizmo is only getting 400mA, although I think it's getting more due to my Mini Line Mixer only drawing 150mA, not 200, and my pedals maybe drawing 20mA from their supply - it seems to balance the loads arbitarily as long as the total doesn't exceed 1.6A. The RG-16 is powered by the 9VAC outlet, and then the Mastermind is powered from the 15V output. Works well for me - much less hassle than dealing with multiple power supplies, as well as much lighter!
 
BTW, in case anyone's wondering, you can't power both the Effect Gizmo and the RG-16 from the same 9VAC power supply - it all lights up fine but it's a horrid noisy mess that I couldn't resolve. Thankfully I managed to work around it :)
 
MartinCliffe said:
..you can't power both the Effect Gizmo and the RG-16 from the same 9VAC power supply - it all lights up fine but it's a horrid noisy mess..
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Yep, but I don't believe the noise is specific to those two products. When building my rack, I didn't want to use two wall wart supplies in the back of my rack, so I attempted using a single to power my Effect Gizmo and CAE Mini Mixer, ultimately ending up with the same terrible noise. I went back to separate supplies and all was good. I later ended up getting a Voodoo Lab Pedal Power AC which does the job and keeps me from having to secure two goofy wall warts in the back of my rack.

All this being said, if there's one product I believe Ron is missing, it's something similar to the Pedal Power. The cool thing would be a power supply that does both AC & DC, like the PP Versa that VL has been supposedly releasing for the last 2 years. If Ron can build an awesome pedal board for Chris Squire in 2 days, then I'm sure he can beat VL to the finish line!
 
No, I get the impression that trying to split AC just doesn't work generally... if there was some way of doing a pass-through (and the AC inputs were on the same side on both units!) then that'd be cool - they'll both run off a 1A supply.

I was running them from a Voodoo Lab Pedal Power AC, but decided to sell it along with a Burkey Flatliner Six when I downsized my rack so needed a lot less power outlets.

An RJM Music power supply would be awesome though - couple of 9VAC taps, 4 or 5 200mA 9VDC taps and a couple of variable 300mA 9V-18VDC taps, in a 1/2 rack size box, switchable so it'll work on 110V or 230V, would be fantastic - it has to be lighter than my Burkey Flatliner!
 
I don't know many others using both an Effect Gizmo and RG-16, but a surprising number of people using more than one RG-16 or more than one Effect Gizmo. I think using one of each makes a lot of sense, though. I'm sure it'll get more common as soon as people realize it can be done.

Interesting about the 9VAC. By splitting it to two devices, I'm guessing you're creating the ground loop from hell...
 
Hi
new to the forum and recently acquired and RG16 and and effect gizmo for the rack unit I am building. The routing is quite complex, I looked at all the Midi Loop Switchers on the market and basically only the combination of the RG16 and effect gizmo would do what I wanted none of the others except for the Rocktron midi8 looper even came close.

I am running a rather unusual setup whereby my guitar effects processor patches basically controls everything else, the fx processor being controlled by midi foot controller.

the RG16 is on midi channel 1 as is the foot controler and main fx processor, (fx processor and foor controller connected together via midi in and out on both units) the effext gizmo is on midi channel 2 and a second fx processor on midi channel3 .

Midi thru goes to midi in on a laptop running Midi-ox, (this is used to do the patch mapping and midi message filtering)

midi out from laptop to Midi in of rg16 then midi thru to midi in on effect gizmo then midi thru to the second fx processor.

Basically the RG16 controls all the amp controls and basic signal routing in and out of 2 pre-amps and the effect gizmo controls the signal routing to/ from fx processors and individual fx pedals.

I will post a scematic wiring diag and some pics when the rig is complete
 
Wiring Schematic attached, there may be one or two alterations to the actual layout as I set up and test the rig
 

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Yes it should do one completed took a while to work out the signal routing, but I got sick of disconnecting and re-connecting cables to create particular setups and tap dancing on the analogue pedals.

I have provided a bit more info on the set-up for anyone else who may be looking for solutions to more complex routing and midi control.
Basically the set-up gives me the option of using the internal pre-amps in the GTPro, or either one or both of the real pre-amps in either mono or stereo and in stereo mode I have the ability to add delay to one channel.

I am in the process of making up all the interconnecting cables at the moment. Then its just a case of putting it all together and de-bugging.

I spent last weekend programming the patches on the RG 16 and effect gizmo, then discovered the "normal" approach wouldn't give me what I needed as I often use the foot controller to send CC messages to the GT pro whilst playing to turn on off particular effects etc ( Generally CC65-CC74 and CC80-CC83) and this obviously turns loops on and off on the RG16 and effect gizmo which alters the set-up. Hence the inclusion of the laptop not previously planned and changing the midi channel on the RG16 to Channel 2 and will have to do the same for the second FX unit when it arrives(I generally try to avoid this for live set-up but theres a first for everything).

Basically the laptop is running midi-ox which allows for patch and port mapping. In essence it does the following Sends bank select and patch change messages on midi channel 1 and duplicates the messages for midi channel 2.

I went a little bit further to simplify the programming of individual patches and setting up the whole rig instead of programming and saving individual patches on the RG-16 and effect gismo I left both units un programmed I created and saved individual patches for all the default setups i.e. one for each amp, one for both amps one for the fx processor on its own etc and each of these patches configure the RG16 and effect gizmo by sending the appropriate cc message to turn on the individual loops and only respond to selected cc messages i.e. when using the marshal amp the saved patch for the Marshal amp Only responds to CC 65 the Control message used in the FX unit to toggle between amp settings (toggle on off F1 and F2 respectively) and the control message used to turn on off EQ in the FX unit.
This just makes initial programming and set-up easier. I then simply use the patch mapping feature in midi-ox to call up a pre saved patch. SO basically on pedal press sets up the FX processor, the RG16 and the effects gizmo and also sets up how they respond to subsequent CC commands.

Long term I would ideally like to take the PC out of the equation I think this may be possible by using the foot controller in its Patch mode and sending sysex messages to each unit but I'm new to all this midi stuff and just wanted to get everything working first.
 
well I made quite a bit of progress since Last time

I have removed the PC from the setup altogether was never really happy with that approach.

I have the Boss GT pro on Channel 1, the RG16 on Channel 2, effect Gizmo on Channel 3 and the Behringer DSP2042P on Channel 4 and am simply using the foot controller to send messages on all 4 midi channels to each unit where necessary for the individual patches. Takes a bit longer to program the patches into the foot controller but the end result is a much simpler and more robust setup.
Now that I have that sorted I am in the process of hard wiring everything in the rig together, up until now I have just been patching everything together to make sure it all works

Its still a bit of work in progress at the moment, got a few more cables to make up before its totally complete but heres a pic of it so far

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few teething problems at the moment getting everything working as it should Minor issues mainly of my own making, plugging cables in the wrong place etc, don't seem to have any hum problems
 
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