Gizmo Help

Hello!

Will do my best to explain, but I’m having trouble getting audio to pass through loops 9-12 of Effect gizmo. I use both PBC and Effect Gizmo so it’s a big chain.

I currently have 10 loops filled in the EG. However I’m only currently accessible for 8, audio wise. I am jumping out of EG (output 5-8) and back into PBC (in 7) and all works great for the first 8 loops.

What I’m trying to do, is run from output 5-8 to a rack setup looper (CAE 4x4) then back into the EG for access to loops 9-12. Then jump out of the EG and route back to “in 7” on the PBC with the signal being sent to amp from the PBC.

I’ve tried using “in 9”, “CS in” and “cs out”. Have tried to connect NO output 12 over to CS in as well and just can’t get audio to pass through.

Can anyone help me if you understand this?

Lmk if questions.
 
Are you connecting Out 9 to In 10, Out 10 to In 11, etc.? Those jumpers are needed for loops 9-12.
 
Yes but I’ll try again. To confirm:

I need jumpers from 9-12. Then use a jumper from NO 12 out to CSIn right? Then CSOut to PBC In 7?
Yes, if you want the click stopper at the end of the chain, then that's exactly what you'd want to do.
 
Yes, if you want the click stopper at the end of the chain, then that's exactly what you'd want to do.
So I have eliminated the cables being a concern as I’ve tested them all individually and tried several kinds both handmade, factory made, soldered and solder less.

To confirm;
I am running
out 5-8 on Effect Gizmo into CAE 4x4 input. Then CAE output to Effect Gizmo in 9. Using jumpers from out 9 to in 10, out 10 to in 11, out 11 to in 12. I am then going out 12 to CS In. With CS out shooting out to PBC “in 7”

is there some incompatibility between the CAE 4x4 and the EG? I really am at a loss here. Everything works fine when I run out 5-8 on EG > PBC in 7. It’s just audio signal, right? Or am I missing something here? The CAE rack works fine when going direct.

I have attached the signal chain, more or less, for record. The one mistake was writing 9 above “Trey Rack” when it should be below.

Please help.
 

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The connections seem ok, so it's time to start debugging. Start backing up, one step at a time. Move the connection from CS Out to Out 12 to cut out the Click Stopper and try again. If that doesn't work, move the connection to Out 11 and try again. Keep removing loops from the system until it starts working, that will identify where the problem lies.
 
The connections seem ok, so it's time to start debugging. Start backing up, one step at a time. Move the connection from CS Out to Out 12 to cut out the Click Stopper and try again. If that doesn't work, move the connection to Out 11 and try again. Keep removing loops from the system until it starts working, that will identify where the problem lies.
I did this and it doesn’t matter where I plug the output in 9-12 it doesn’t send signal. Does fine from output 5-8.

I’m left to believe CAE and RJM can’t intermingle?! Guess I’ll have to go back to the full CAE system. Bummer.
 
I did this and it doesn’t matter where I plug the output in 9-12 it doesn’t send signal. Does fine from output 5-8.

I’m left to believe CAE and RJM can’t intermingle?! Guess I’ll have to go back to the full CAE system. Bummer.
The Effect Gizmo is just a box full of relays, it's nearly impossible for there to be a compatibility issue. Either there's something wrong with the cables, the rig wiring, or there's something wrong with the Effect Gizmo hardware. If you'd like to debug this further, let me know and we'll take the next step.
 
The Effect Gizmo is just a box full of relays, it's nearly impossible for there to be a compatibility issue. Either there's something wrong with the cables, the rig wiring, or there's something wrong with the Effect Gizmo hardware. If you'd like to debug this further, let me know and we'll take the next step.
I’ll do what I can. I’ve ruled out cables and the rest of the rig. What would you recommend as next step?
 
I don’t have to have the send/recieve’s filled do I?
It shouldn't matter, unless there's something wrong with one of the loops.

I recommend going all the way to the basics - guitar into loop input, loop output to amp input, and put a pedal in the loop. Make sure that each loop is passing signal properly by itself.
 
It shouldn't matter, unless there's something wrong with one of the loops.

I recommend going all the way to the basics - guitar into loop input, loop output to amp input, and put a pedal in the loop. Make sure that each loop is passing signal properly by itself.
Well, I know it’s fine in 1-8 because I use them. But ok. I’ll give it a shot.
 
Yes, for sure, just focus on loops 9-12. I should have specified that.
Ok. So here’s what I’ve figured out.

If I go output 5-8 of EG into CAE 4x4 then use output of CAE to amp, as opposed to back into “In 9” I have sound. It is extremely degraded though. Barely noticeable through amp. I have tried putting a buffer pedal between output 5-8 and CAE in, and it didn’t help.

If I plug direct guitar > CAE using same output setup (loop 4 output) I get crystal clear sound.

Thoughts?
 
Ok. So here’s what I’ve figured out.

If I go output 5-8 of EG into CAE 4x4 then use output of CAE to amp, as opposed to back into “In 9” I have sound. It is extremely degraded though. Barely noticeable through amp. I have tried putting a buffer pedal between output 5-8 and CAE in, and it didn’t help.

If I plug direct guitar > CAE using same output setup (loop 4 output) I get crystal clear sound.

Thoughts?
Ok, try these tests:

- do the same test with output 5-8, but connect a short cable from Out 1-4 to In 5-8. see if you get the correct signal level
- move your guitar from input 1-4 to input 5-8 and then output 5-8 goes to the amp input, see how that sounds

When you say "direct guitar > CAE using same output setup (loop 4 output)" do you mean that the guitar is directly plugged into the CAE, or the guitar goes through loops 1-4, then into the CAE?
 
When you say "direct guitar > CAE using same output setup (loop 4 output)" do you mean that the guitar is directly plugged into the CAE, or the guitar goes through loops 1-4, then into the CAE?
Yes, guitar > CAE. Bypassing RJM completely. Not overly relevant just making sure you had all information available.

I will try your recommendations and report back asap. Thanks for the help here.
 
Ok, try these tests:

- do the same test with output 5-8, but connect a short cable from Out 1-4 to In 5-8. see if you get the correct signal level
- move your guitar from input 1-4 to input 5-8 and then output 5-8 goes to the amp input, see how that sounds
Ok. So i tried a lot this weekend. Did NOT try your recs here, but the first thing i tried was to pull my Mini Effects gizmo out and see if I could just end up getting audio to pass through it. After trying a bunch of different combinations, I now have audio pass through, but get this...

I have "Output 5-8" ran to "output loop 4" of CAE and "in 9" routed to the Input of the CAE?!?!?! Output runs out of loop 12, not C/S Out. when use C/S out and a jumper from "out 12" to "C/S In" it kills the sound again. The witchery is strong with this one.

Once i got pass through and everything was working, i didn't want to touch anything. I played for a few minutes then got worried i was gonna have something bad happen to my gear the way it was wired.
 
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